From September, 2006 at IM. The reference to soli deo was to a home worship group I was leading at the time.
I get called a lot of names around the blogosphere. Everything from “pomo devil” to “respected blogger.” (Now there’s an oxymoron.) When you’re a “cage phase” blogger (there goes another one) you write long posts defending yourself and being outraged about this. For instance, my use of the name “truly reformed” used to bring about huge posts at the “truly reformed” blogs, almost as long as mine on whether I was “emerging” or “postmodern.” But not nearly as well written or as funny.
Over at the BHT, I have a new name that’s been stuck on me. I’m a “reductionist.” Visiting the dictionary, I think I’m being told that, in regard to my Christian faith, I have a tendency to “…. reduce complex data and phenomena to simple terms.” I know dictionaries aren’t supposed to have value systems, but it that a bad thing?
I wish I could say I’m being accused of being a good teacher, but it’s a bit more nefarious. I’m generally being told that I’m reducing Christianity too much; that I’m taking a complex, inter-related whole, and attempting to simplify it excessively. So much so that what’s left isn’t the thing itself, but only part of it.
For example, I’m like someone who attempts to reduce Shakespeare to a few scenes in Shakespeare’s bloody freshman outing, Titus Andronicus. The critic would say, yeah, it’s Shakespeare, but it’s such a reduction of his entire body of work, that I’m actually misrepresenting him. Will was a better, more complex, more mature playwright than the young man who shocked audiences with Titus.
In the same way, I am supposedly spending too much time asking if doctrinal matters can be found in the Gospels, particularly the Gospel of Mark. Christianity is a New Testament faith that emerges from the entire canon; as much from Romans as from Mark. My attempts to go back to Jesus, to bring my faith out of a foundation of New Testament texts and teaching/actions of Jesus, are “reductionistic.” And, in the end, I’m charged with distortion.
I believe that’s a possibility, and the danger registers with me. I also believe that reducing my evangelicalism to a vital connection to Jesus is a worthy quest that I invite all of you on without embarassment.
One of the first times this came up was in response to the posting of one of my favorite confessions of faith, Brian Mclaren’s “Jesus Creed.” (Not to be confused with Scot Mcknight’s blog/book.) I was immediately criticized for suggesting that the theology of other creeds, and fuller confessions of the Christian faith, were unnecessary complications.
Am I a reductionist? How would I answer that charge?
I believe that Jesus reveals God. I don’t believe anything else reveals God like Jesus does. That’s my version of reductionism, and yes, it does affect my reading of the Bible. I read all Biblical texts in the light of the final Word, Jesus. The Bible is a house with many rooms, but I only live in that house with Jesus as the owner, and he takes me room to room, and illuminates what is in those rooms with his light. In his light, I see the treasures of scripture. (I hope I don’t have to actually cite references for this way of reading the Bible.)
So when I come to a passage of scripture that has no actual clear reference to the Gospel accounts of what Jesus said and did, or in the Biblical revelation of who Jesus is and what he means, I make sure that I start, stay with and end with Jesus in my reading of that passage. This is why I like the “Jesus Creed.” It helps me consciously confess the centrality of Jesus in how I approach scripture, what I read in scripture (I don’t read Leviticus the same as I read Mark) and what I do with what I read in scripture. Jesus is the Word. Jesus is the Word that scripture is always speaking, and the other words that scripture speaks, aren’t the same. They are true, and they may be important, but the Word that ends all other words, that enlightens every person, and that speaks to the deepest existential longings of the human heart is the Word I am listening to hear.
So yeah, I’m a reductionist in that sense. How about an example?
The Lord’s Supper is one of the most contentious issues in Christendom. I can’t come to the table of Jesus in more than half of Christendom, despite my confession of faith in Jesus. Somewhere between what Jesus did at that table on the night he was betrayed and the half a million volumes of Eucharistic theology that fill the libraries of Christian scholars, I got excluded.
When I do the Lord’s Supper at soli deo, I read the words of Institution from I Corinthians 11.
1Co 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
Paul is reading/relating the account we find in the Gospel of Mark (and elsewhere).
Mk 14:22 And as they were eating, he took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to them, and said, “Take; this is my body.” 23 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it. 24 And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.
There are a lot of other things said about the Lord’s Supper in the Bible. In I Corinthians, Paul has a lot to say about it.
I Cor 10:16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.
I do not read I Corinthians 10 as illuminating the Gospel text. I believe the person, words and actions of Jesus are the revelation in the Lord’s Supper. Whatever else is said in scripture about the Supper, I do not believe it adds to or goes beyond what Jesus was, said and did that night with his disciples.
I have a personal theology of the Lord’s Supper. Somewhere on the Zwinglian side of Calvin, I believe Christ gave us the Gospel in bread and wine. But when I share the supper, I do not assert my theology in contrast to others. I read the words and actions of Jesus. I want those who partake at soli deo to have their eyes and ears focused on Jesus. I don’t want to fight about metaphors, real presence, Marburg or transubstantiation. I want to do what Jesus told us to do. I am particularly impressed with Paul’s word regarding discerning Christ in the Supper.
28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.
As controversial as the interpretation of those verses is, I believe it is, at the root, a call to a kind of reduction, and it pertains to all of our faith. If we do not discern the relation of Jesus Christ to all things, we invite judgement.
Anyone who theologizes without discerning Christ crucified is on the wrong track. Anyone who builds the church without discerning Christ crucified builds nothing. Anyone who preaches, sings, leads, writes or counsels without discerning Christ crucified is a sounding gong and a clanking bell, inviting judgement.
I fully realize that how we discern the presence of Christ in the supper, baptism, preaching, serving and so on will differ widely as we read scripture with our various assumptions about theology, history, tradition and language. I’m comfortable with that conversation and even with the tension that results, but I am committed to discerning Christ as the “reduction” of my entire evangelicalism. Establishing a vital relationship between Jesus and my world is the passion of my life. In that quest, I freely admit that I find more help among those simplifying the faith to a focus on Jesus in the gospels than among those making it ever more complicated.
Remember years ago when Tony Campolo was put on “heresy trial” for preaching that Christ was somehow present in every person? He got that from Jesus, of course. “And the King will answer them, “Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.” Now I realize that Campolo risked distorting someone’s theology with that kind of reductionism, and I get that some nut somewhere thought Campolo was being a universalist, which he denied over and over.
Just tell me, how much trouble are we willing to get into to go back to what Jesus said and did, and let that be the formative foundation of this thing called being a Christian? It may get you- and me- in trouble. I have a message I preach to students called “Good Trouble.” It’s from Acts 17, where the Christians are in trouble for having “another King…Jesus.” Reductionism of the best kind, and a worthy life’s quest.





@ michael
Reductionist. I kinda like that too. Actually, the more I read the more I discover points on which we agree.
Can we assume that because Jesus spent three years with the disciples that the practices they instituted in the first century are any less ritualistic than those passed on to them by their forefathers which were built on the simple law God gave to Moses and were condemned by Jesus?
I contend that the theme of the fickleness of God’s people to go their own way in spite of direct instruction from or interaction with God continues into the New Testament and is clearly shown in Acts-Revelation. Why is it that when we turn the page from Malachi to Matthew we magically thing the nature of man would change so dramatically? Wasn’t it “God’s chosen” who heaped all that extra stuff upon the simple law God gave to Moses?
Then there’s the reality we’ve probably all seen of man or woman being unable to accept the simpleness of what God through Christ gave us. How many times have we spoken with someone about the simple faith in Christ for salvation only to see them unable to accept the simplicity of faith in Christ alone. “There has to be more” they say and reject that it can be that simple.
Is this a pattern we see repeated over and over and over throughout the history of God and His people? Is that why after Jesus ascended, layer upon layer of stuff like the old ways were heaped upon the new (or renewed) thing Jesus had left them? Could it be that simple? Could it be the complexity of the religion of Christianity is what was added to that which Jesus left because we just can’t grasp that it really is that simple?
I stand with you. Call me a reductionist if you wish, but I prefer Christ Follower or someone trying to walk in The Way Jesus showed and taught. Nothing more. Nothing less.
On the way to Emmaus, Jesus explained how all the Hebrew Scriptures were about him. So, Jesus was a reductionist?
I like much of what you said here, but I am not sure if I am totally in agreement with you.
How does one approach texts like Ecclesiastes and Job with a focus on Christ?
Christ is the wisdom that the wisdom books describe. He is the answer to the longing for order and meaning they describe.
He is the mediator and revealor that Job longs to stand along side him as an advocate.
I like this.
Reductionist …. hmmmm.
When people ask me if I am a “Christian” I have been reluctant to say so because most of christianity seems to work against what Jesus came for and preached.
Yeah, Reductionist ….. that;s me!
In Christ
a brother.
“I can’t come to the table of Jesus in more than half of Christendom, despite my confession of faith in Jesus.”
There is another aspect to this restriction. With communion also comes the reconciliation between you and your God and your neighbor. There is pastoral care and the community needed here. Hence, some of us don’t commune in other congregations of the same confession, because “communion” happens within our own “community”.
The real presence is not something that takes away from being Christ-centered. In a sense it is being Christ-centered in a physical and quite ultimate way.
Michael,
I emphasize with you. Over the past two weeks, I finally experienced a bit of my own offensive-commentators (Doctrine Police who either directly or implicatorily label our statements as heresy or incorrect theologically or biblically) on my blog…for the first time. So, now, I understand “what it’s like.” I’ve come to the conclusion, that those of us who speak the Truth in love within the context of the New Testament…of Jesus Christ’s grace and love…will receive “not-so-nice” responses from those whose hearts are not/cannot open to the Truth.
Keep bloggin on, brother.
Blessings,
~Amy :)
http://amyiswalkinginthespirit.blogspot.com
Hi Mike,
I agree that Christ centered reading of the NT makes sense. If Paul alone said the Eucharist was the body and blood of Christ we’d all take it symbolically. When Jesus Himself says so and repeatedly after questioning it completely changes things. Seems obvious to me that NT books that feature Christ directly have more inherent weight than those that refer indirectly.
I for one don’t think you’re a reductionist in a negative sense, rather I’d call you an essentialist. You’re not removing the cross (the thing most folk try to eliminate) and you’re tightly focused on Christ. It’s not a reduction of substance but a refocusing/reordering of the essentials, i.e. the basics. It’s a narrow gate we are trying to enter so it’s crucial not to get distracted on things that don’t matter. Jesus in the scripture consistently redirects his disciples attention to the essentials. I think it’s a valuable course of action.
By the way what did Zwingli believe with respect to the Eucharist? I’ll go and Google it but I’d rather have a brief summary from you.
As for the books of the wisdom I always understood the Holy Spirit to be that spirit of wisdom they speak of rather than the Holy Trinity in the persona of Christ.
“Anyone who theologizes without discerning Christ crucified is on the wrong track. Anyone who builds the church without discerning Christ crucified builds nothing. Anyone who preaches, sings, leads, writes or counsels without discerning Christ crucified is a sounding gong and a clanking bell, inviting judgement.”
Why would the Father make understanding and implementing the Life of Christ a matter of years of study in colleges and seminaries?
I don’t disparage those who have made these journeys but the attempt to complicate God’s Word are the plans of men.
It is Christ crucified.
All else leads to this central truth and reality or is window dressing for it.
If we as a body embrace and believe, really believe, this then the giant buildings vanish. The huge ministries based on personalities go away (except for the One Personality).
The world, and what most of what we think of as the the church, spurns the cross.
Interpret the epistles in light of the gospels without the prejudice toward “church building” and “soul winning”.
Interpret the gospels in light of the epistles, etc.
Interpret the old covenant in light of the new.
It all leads to the cross and no where else.
All the rest is chaff.
The cross is an offense. We instinctively hate it. the devil hates it. Our institutions are offended by and put off by it.
followers. (lack of capitalization intentional) embrace it.
I am always amused and somewhat chagrined by the lack of interest in these posts of Mr. Spencer’s.
Make a post concerning the proper place of liturgy or music or confession and we’d have 500 responses.
We are the church at Laodicea. Truly.
“Fremen_Warrior66
I like much of what you said here, but I am not sure if I am totally in agreement with you.
How does one approach texts like Ecclesiastes and Job with a focus on Christ?”
Exactly what or whom else would you focus on in any part of scripture?
Even orthodox Jews understand that all of scripture points to the Messiah.
I don’t mean to be harsh in any way but this change of viewpoint will open up all of the bible to a new understanding for you.
Are you really a Fremen Warrior? Cool!!!!!
christianity is simple. its simple enough that kids can understand it. i dont think that god wanted it to be complacated. if it were to complacated only those with super intellect could be saved.
so no mike, you posatively arent wrong for simplafing the gospel.
rob,
ill be honest, i dont know bout ecclesiastes, but in job, he mentions more than once the incarnation of jesus. example ( im not quoting word for word here) i know my redeemer lives, and he believed in going to heaven because he speaks bout seeing god face to face.
you see the old testament books are foreshadows of the gospel message. take abraham sacrificing issac, even though god spared issacs life. it is an ot picture of god letting his son be sacrificed.
the only reason that i dont know about ecc. is cause ive never really read that book.
He is Wisdom in Ecclesiastes.
Christ is also Wisdom in Proverbs
I agree that Jesus must be the focus of all things Christian. However, would not refer to that as reductionism. I would call that Christocentric.
Colossians 1:15-20 might say it best…
15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Michael, I enjoy the fact that you strive toward a Christocentric perspective. I love that about you, bro. However, as a regular reader, I do also believe that you tend to “oversimplify” matters. The Gospel is at once beautifully simple and wonderfully complex. Your reductionism doesn’t always allow for complex thinking. Don’t confuse your “Christocentric” emphasis – which is very pure and true and good and admirable – with your tendency toward “Reductionsim”[mod edited]
One can be Christocentric without being Reductionist. We can think with complexity and still be Jesus centered. If this is not true then what are we to do with Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin, Luther, and…well…Paul? Surely, you do not have to be a brainy intellectual in order to commune with Jesus and His Church. The Gospel is simple. However, I do pray that it is still OK to contemplate the deeper meanings and implications of the Gospel.
[mod edited]
Tim Melton
http://sacrosanctgospel.wordpress.com/
>If this is not true then what are we to do with Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin, Luther, and…well…Paul?
Aren’t those guys all basically just like me and you? Sinners in need of a savior?
Since when is complexity a mark of the true Gospel? Maybe Calvin and Luther made things too complex? I mean, Luther approved of many deaths and much violence toward people Jesus commanded him to love, but he found a way to say they needed to be violently suppressed. Complexity sometimes is just a way to avoid the plain truth of love God, love neighbor.
Complexity is not a mark of the true Gospel. I agree with you. But neither is Simplicity. Neither on are noble.
As you say, Complexity may sometimes be a way of avoiding the plain truth, but could it not also be said that simplicity is a way of avoiding complex truth? The Gospel is simple. True. And yet Paul’s letters to the Corinthians prove that applying the Gospel to culture and community is very complex. The book of Romans is complex. The book of Hebrews is complex. [mod edited] And it must be said that the work of understanding and applying God’s Word must be approached in an Intelligent AND Christocentric manner. As you so boldly remind us, it is all about Jesus. Simple Gospel, yes. But please also admit that the Gospel has Complex implications as well.
On a side note…do you really think we should dismiss all of the valuable contributions of Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, John Knox, Jonathan Edwards, and others because they were sinners just like you and me? I think all of those men readily admit they were sinners…Augustine wrote a pretty exhaustive work on just that fact(Confessions).
If being a sinner disqualifies these men from speaking truth, then we must be silenced as well. Wouldn’t you agree?
Tim:
I think it’s a rather extreme misrepresentation of my question to suggest I want to dismiss the contribution of sinful theologians. I’m the biggest sinner I know, and I have a few things to say.
But I don’t think the New testament ever tells us to follow our RC friends into the habit of venerating men or eras as infallible or overly spiritual. Reformed Christians seem to have a fetish for their historical and contemporary celebrities. Luther’s Gospel was great, but right now on the BHT a Lutheran is explaining that all non-Lutherans believe and teach a false Gospel. It’s definitely not a two way street out there.
All the men you mentioned have to be considered in comparison to Jesus and scripture. They have no authority or special consideration apart from that. Unless they are N.T. Wright :-)
As I said, I never suggested or implied that being a sinner “disqualifies” someone from “speaking truth” and I never in my life said someone should be “silenced.” A bit over the top.
peace
MS
OK. I’m with you. But I think we’re getting off the point. The thrust of my comment had more to do with the veneration of Simplicity over Complexity, not the veneration of the saints, but I guess we’re not gonna really talk about that.
That said, I do hope we can listen and learn from our historical church fathers without being accused of having a fetish. I don’t think I have a fetish. I hope I don’t. That just sounds weird. You know what I mean? Besides, who said I was Reformed anyway? I’m not Reformed. I’m a full-on Arminian. :-)
I also love N.T. Wright. Not a fetish. I just like the guy. I think I can learn from him. He’s a sinner. He’s simple. He’s Complex. Jesus Centered. He talks about the Gospel. The Cross. I don’t agree with everything he says, but overall, he’s my kinda dude.
Finally, I feel compelled to admit that I’m not Arminian, but I do have Arminian friends and I absolutely think Jacobus is a very cool name. ;-)
I don’t see how Jesus life and teachings can only be a component of Christianity. It is the very essence of God’s revelation. I like the way the mass does scripture readings: one from the old testament, one from the epistles, and the final reading (where all stand up) from the gospels. It puts scripture in the proper context.