JSS commenter Michael Bell makes two worthwhile comments about the “worship” post.
When we get to heaven, if I am reading the book of Revelation correctly, we are going to be doing a whole lot of worshiping. I appreciate the fact on Sunday Morning that I can get a glimpse of what that will be like.
Michael makes what is probably evangelicalism’s best case for its particular approach to music-dominated worship: the eschatological visions in the Book of Revelation.
Careful students will realize that what we have here are two options for shaping spiritual formation and Christian practice: The incarnation in past history, and the eschatological fulfillment of God’s Kingdom in the future. Should we be looking to Jesus’ life, example and teachings in the past, or should we be looking to the vision of future fulfillment in eschatological passages? Is the guide what Jesus was or what we will be?
Michael is reminding us that a Jesus shaped spirituality is not entirely a matter of the historical, incarnational Jesus. We also must be shaped by Jesus in the present and in the future. While Jesus has always been what he is and will be in essence, his roles as mediator, intercessor, empowerer and eschatological Lord of the universe are seen more clearly post-ascension.
I also agree with Michael that the book of Revelation is a dependable source for the liturgical design of worship, and the place and content of musical worship in particular. Revelation is a book that is closely tied to the actual words of the resurrected and ascended Jesus, especially his evaluation and commands to his church. We should pay attention to it. (I’m aware that Revelation has its own canonical problems and certainly its own interpretative challenges, but the portions of the book that are most germane to this discussion are really not in contention.)
All of this being clear, I think we should be cautious about saying Revelation, rather than the historical Jesus, should shape the evangelical approach to worship. (I am not assigning this position to Michael, btw.)
First of all, worship in heaven isn’t part of the process of spiritually forming disciples. That process is completed, sin is removed, culture, time and place are no longer factors.
Second, heavenly worship is a fulfillment more than a pattern. The practical difference might be like this. In heaven, I will pitch a perfect curve ball, but if I can see that perfect curve ball now, it does not teach me how to pitch in the present. In the present I need to learn the steps, content and process of pitching a curve ball, and work toward the fulfillment of the pattern in a perfect pitch.
If I take a young guitar player to see Phil Keaggy play, the effect may be to inspire work in the present or it may be to decide there’s no point to continued practice since this level of “perfection” is simply beyond reach. Keaggy’s art is inspiring, but a good teacher in the present will do more to shape the young player.
The marriage of the lamb is the destiny picture for all human marriages, but the example of mentors and teachers is more helpful in the present in forming my marriage. The end inspires; the present process shapes.
Third, we aren’t in heaven, and taking a heavenly church or heavenly liturgy as the shaping model has a tendency to take us out of useful engagement in the present. There are no questions to ask or answer in heaven about how we worship, the time we use, the money we spend, the facilities required, etc. All those questions require Jesus shaped answers here on earth.
So I am happy to include Revelation texts as shaping factors in designing worship, but I am unconvinced that eschatological passages should have precedence or even equality with the example and teaching of the incarnate Christ, especially if the larger question is about spiritual formation.
Here’s Michael’s second valuable observation.
Surely it was the focus on Christ that allowed Paul and Silas to pray and sing hymns to God until midnight after they had been stripped and beaten. (Acts 16)
Several of the responses in this discussion have been about examples of music, such as Jesus and the disciples singing a hymn, James mentioning singing and this reference to singing in Acts.
I suppose that if my case was “There is no music in the New Testament,” these texts would prove me wrong. Of course, that’s not my case. (And Michael isn’t making that claim. As for other commenters, well…) Michael points out that it was the focus on Christ that inspired the singing. Amen. May it always be so.
Music is part of every culture. It was certainly part of Jewish culture. I’m aware that book of Psalms is musical. I’m aware that Christian have been reported singing from the outset of their history.
But to go from “Christians sing” to what we see in evangelicalism these days is an example of exactly what this web site will be addressing: how does Jesus control these connections? Does evangelicalism reflect Jesus or is it a testimony to our ability shape Jesus for our purposes, rather than vice versa?
There’s a reason we aren’t building huge temples and sacrificing animals at the church on the corner. The reason is our new covenant understanding of Jesus. How the non-missional church two blocks from where I am typing connects Jesus to the million dollar facility they are building is another story for another post.
What Paul and Silas do in jail is marginally applicable to the question of how music relates to Jesus shaped discipleship in corporate worship expressions. Jesus as the center of the musical worship is crucial.
Of course, there will be times the church sings and sings and sings. Christians will sing and the church will sing in various situations. But to what extent can we claim the use of music itself, as evangelicals typically use it in corporate worship, corresponds to the intentional aspects of Jesus’ own discipleship project?
I purposely tossed out this issue of music because it is a “hot button” for evangelicals. In other words, it was a blatant play for readers :-) In the unfolding of this subject, it’s quite “out of place,” and I hope everyone will remember that as we move on.
It is interesting how one commenter immediately took me to task for recommending little or no music, but long theological discussions instead. It’s fascinating how we have our own options already on the table. My suggestion is you tear up your multiple choice thinking and listen to/look at Jesus again. Let him shape the question, the answer and the practice that results.
Many thanks to Michael Bell and other readers for this useful engagement.





Michael I had a though as I read the first few paragraphs of this post… I thought – what would it look like to let the Revelations depiction of worship guide how we worship corporately?
My first thought in Revelations was the martyrs under the altar – crying out to God “How long O Lord till our blood is avenged?”
Here’s a major strain of Biblical thought (see psalms and minor prophets particularly) that is mostly absent from modern “evangelicalish” expressions of Christianity. How would it change the culture of a Church and its understanding of God and the World if every Sunday a chunk of the service was spent in considering the persecuted church through story and image and singing songs of lament (do any exist?) – asking God to come and make right the mess we and the world are currently in?
Hi Michael,
Thanks for the encouraging words.
One key passage that has given me what I would call a Heaven shaped theology, is Ephesians 4. Verse one reads “As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received.” From Ephesians 1:18 we find that this calling that we have recieved is a heavenly calling.
So what does this look like? Ephesians 4:2-6 describes it. “2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.” That is the way we are going to be acting together in heaven, I think it is a noble standard to be aiming for here. Incidentally, the versus that follow in
Ephesians deal with discipleship, with Jesus having focus as head of the church.
By the way, if any of your readers do not know who Phil Keaggy is, I invite them to watch an amazing performance here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV3bLZLpqTQ
Great thought there metapundit.
I immediately thought of Andy Park’s song. It is not a song of lament but a call for us to minister to those who are lamenting.
The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord
The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is upon you
Because he has anointed you to preach good news
(Repeat)
He has sent you to the poor (This is the year)
To bind up the broken hearted (This is the day)
To bring freedom to the captives (This is the year)
And to release the ones in darkness
(This is the year) of the favour of the Lord
(This is the day) of the vengeance of our God
(This is the year) of the favour of the Lord
(This is the day) of the vengeance of our God
The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is upon us
Because he has anointed us to preach good news
(Repeat)
He will comfort all who mourn (This is the year)
He will provide for those who grieve (This is the day)
He will pour out the oil of gladness (This is the year)
Instead of mourning you will praise
Michael Bell – Eclectic Christian
Thank you Michael for continuing this conversaton about the role of music for the church. It’s an important one and I have watched the way it has evolved over the course of my life, being nearly 49. I attended a very large, non-denominational church with pentacostal leanings. We were exposed to a stunning variety of music, from the traditional choir, piano and organ variety, opera singers, gospel quartet and all the way to Larry Norman, Barry McGuire and other Jesus Rockers. Our pastor brought them all into the church. The end result for me, I grew an appreciation for all of it. As a youth pastor I spent a lot of time studying what those psalms, hymns and spiritual songs meant. Why three words? What are the differences in the original text? I came away with the conclustion that music was an extremely important, useful, yes, useful tool in our daily walk. Its good for lamenting, (as addressed at IM) and soul-soothing, and yes for corporate worship of God.
But what I began to struggle with over time was the focus and gradual takeover of this thing called “praise and worship”. You have addressed this topic before, as a matter of fact, thats one of the first IM posts I read. I watched it become in my church, and many others, more important than anything else the church did. Pastors may not have admitted it, but look at the budgets for the sound, lighting, and video (to project lyrics). I’m in that business now. I know what that equipment costs. Its STAGGERING. I know of a large church that spent 35K on intelligent lighting, years before most rock bands had it.
I continue to be blessed by some”Christian” music, in the many varieties and styles it takes. Unfortunately, it’s also my opnion that much churned out by the CCM industry is mediocre at best, pablem, and, sorry, drivel. There are bright spots. Interesting that you would mention Phil Keaggy, who I have had the joy of being around dozens of times over the years. I told him one night after a concert that everytime I saw him “perform” there was always one moment when I would realize that it didn’t really matter if the audience was there or not. He was using that guitar to worship God and I was able, by listening, to join in.
He cried when I told him that.
ChickVoice,
You were standing on my foot…
The other cool thing about Paul and Silas is that someone (the jailer) in that story comes to belief in Jesus and it isn’t through the preaching of the word. He just observes them worshipping and he believes (as opposed to Paul teaching him like he teaches Lydia earlier in the chapter).
Reminds me of your post on iMonk about overemphasizing heaven in the evangelical mindset. I liked the contrast between heaven’s perfect doing and the imperfect learning here on earth.
Hi Michael,
I had a guest blogger, Michael Powell, post what I think is some very good thoughts on the relationship between Christ’s atonement and worship. As it fits very nicely with the discussion that you have had on worship especially as it relates to Jesus shaped spirituality I was wondering if you might be interested in cross-posting it. You can read it at:
http://eclecticchristian.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/vicarious-worship/
Thanks
Mike Bell
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